so the secretary of state will go to cairo and talk to people who talk to hamas. >> the israelis talk to people who talk to people who talk to hamas. >> hamas says it is willing to have a long-term truce and negotiated various truces have held badly or well, it is time to end this and stop saying the palestinians must stay divided the as precondition they must be weak and divided i mean that is american policy, that is the policy, you, dennis were one of the patrons of. >> rose: should hamas be required to make certain kinds of actions if they will take -- >> certainly anything you demand of hamas you should demand of israel. israel should recognize a palestinian state if the palestinians are required to recognize the israeli state, israel should be required to cease violence if hamas is, i think though are reasonable demand if they are made equal, israel is an established state but somehow the palestinians are asked to do things the israelis are not asked to do. >> not only the penalties consider hamas a terrorist group and as long as they are going around blowing up buses and commit